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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2948</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deeshla - Wow, congratulations! 

Jeni - Seven pounds, hm, one can only hope! I already told my mom that I wasn&#039;t going to even tell her I was pregnant (when it happens!) because she repeats everything to her friends at work! ;)

Only 4 lbs for you so far? No wonder you still look so chic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deeshla &#8211; Wow, congratulations! </p>
<p>Jeni &#8211; Seven pounds, hm, one can only hope! I already told my mom that I wasn&#8217;t going to even tell her I was pregnant (when it happens!) because she repeats everything to her friends at work! <img src='http://liosliath.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Only 4 lbs for you so far? No wonder you still look so chic!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lili, you &amp; I can be in the &quot;child bearing&quot; hips club then !!!

Hey some GOOD NEWS for you :  my mom is 6&#039; tall (kinda like you) , &amp; she only gained *SEVEN POUNDS* when she was prego with me!  (yes, you read that right!).  So maybe no one will give you annoying advice for the first 7 months or so, since they won&#039;t even be able to tell you&#039;re pregnant!  Problem solved!

I&#039;m up 4 lbs by 5th month, so I have 3 lbs to go.  Uh huh.  I&#039;m holding my breath here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lili, you &amp; I can be in the &#8220;child bearing&#8221; hips club then !!!</p>
<p>Hey some GOOD NEWS for you :  my mom is 6&#8242; tall (kinda like you) , &amp; she only gained *SEVEN POUNDS* when she was prego with me!  (yes, you read that right!).  So maybe no one will give you annoying advice for the first 7 months or so, since they won&#8217;t even be able to tell you&#8217;re pregnant!  Problem solved!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m up 4 lbs by 5th month, so I have 3 lbs to go.  Uh huh.  I&#8217;m holding my breath here.</p>
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		<title>By: deeshla</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2928</link>
		<dc:creator>deeshla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our little Noor is 2 1/2 weeks old. I moved from Morocco when I was 6 months pregnant.

I think there is some good support in Morocco if you decide to go that route.  As it turns out I would have been happier just squatting and getting the help of a traditional midwife rather that the medical assistance of my Rabat doctor.  (Sana khol-in-the-eyes which is how they do it in some parts)

Jeni -- it is true they are c-sectioning waaaaay too much in the US these days - but Morocco is pushing the limits and you find that they are doing them for no reason at all (especially with those who equate surgery with medical progress, ick!) - doctor gets paid more as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our little Noor is 2 1/2 weeks old. I moved from Morocco when I was 6 months pregnant.</p>
<p>I think there is some good support in Morocco if you decide to go that route.  As it turns out I would have been happier just squatting and getting the help of a traditional midwife rather that the medical assistance of my Rabat doctor.  (Sana khol-in-the-eyes which is how they do it in some parts)</p>
<p>Jeni &#8212; it is true they are c-sectioning waaaaay too much in the US these days &#8211; but Morocco is pushing the limits and you find that they are doing them for no reason at all (especially with those who equate surgery with medical progress, ick!) &#8211; doctor gets paid more as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2917</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deeshla - Thanks for the info - how old is your new baby now?

Jeni - Nooooo, not yet, ha ha. Hamou&#039;s in Morocco right now, anyway, so it&#039;s physically impossible. I hope I won&#039;t have to even consider a c-section - my ob/gyn once said that I wouldn&#039;t have any trouble having babies, must be the size of my hips, argh. As for circumcision, we haven&#039;t decided yet, I just object to annoying interference from family/friends/strangers!

Anyway, I was sort of hoping that KIM would be next on the baby list! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deeshla &#8211; Thanks for the info &#8211; how old is your new baby now?</p>
<p>Jeni &#8211; Nooooo, not yet, ha ha. Hamou&#8217;s in Morocco right now, anyway, so it&#8217;s physically impossible. I hope I won&#8217;t have to even consider a c-section &#8211; my ob/gyn once said that I wouldn&#8217;t have any trouble having babies, must be the size of my hips, argh. As for circumcision, we haven&#8217;t decided yet, I just object to annoying interference from family/friends/strangers!</p>
<p>Anyway, I was sort of hoping that KIM would be next on the baby list! <img src='http://liosliath.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeni</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2915</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lili, a very INTERESTING topic from you, eh ?!?!?  So ?????!!  

From what I hear, they are just as C-section happy in the States, so I guess it&#039;s six of one... half dozen of another?  But if I *was* going to be sliced and diced.... maybe do that in the States???

I really like your theory of tuning out the advice by feigning lingual confusion... BRILLIANT!

I have gotten some strong opinions from people about childbirth and baby stuff and I just let it roll off.... I like to devilishly point out how &quot;on different continents they have such wildly different views on baby-having, caregiving, and somehow most of the babies seem to survive!&quot;   

Good luck, I am very interested to watch this process!  And as for circumcision... maybe you get lucky &amp; have a girl, and no discussion necessary (thank GAWD you ain&#039;t in Saudi Arabia).  Here in Europe it&#039;s just not done, and you don&#039;t have guys running around with severe penis problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lili, a very INTERESTING topic from you, eh ?!?!?  So ?????!!  </p>
<p>From what I hear, they are just as C-section happy in the States, so I guess it&#8217;s six of one&#8230; half dozen of another?  But if I *was* going to be sliced and diced&#8230;. maybe do that in the States???</p>
<p>I really like your theory of tuning out the advice by feigning lingual confusion&#8230; BRILLIANT!</p>
<p>I have gotten some strong opinions from people about childbirth and baby stuff and I just let it roll off&#8230;. I like to devilishly point out how &#8220;on different continents they have such wildly different views on baby-having, caregiving, and somehow most of the babies seem to survive!&#8221;   </p>
<p>Good luck, I am very interested to watch this process!  And as for circumcision&#8230; maybe you get lucky &amp; have a girl, and no discussion necessary (thank GAWD you ain&#8217;t in Saudi Arabia).  Here in Europe it&#8217;s just not done, and you don&#8217;t have guys running around with severe penis problems.</p>
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		<title>By: deeshla</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2901</link>
		<dc:creator>deeshla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that they are c-section happy in Morocco  - my Ob/Gyn in Rabat said they section over-35 women as a matter of course.  That was not acceptable to me and we came home (USA) for the birth and postpartum.  We wanted all those choices recognized (husband in room, cutting cord, etc. and a natural birth plus the care of a midwife, not MD).  Raising our new baby is another story.  I&#039;d like to do a lot of that back in Morocco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that they are c-section happy in Morocco  &#8211; my Ob/Gyn in Rabat said they section over-35 women as a matter of course.  That was not acceptable to me and we came home (USA) for the birth and postpartum.  We wanted all those choices recognized (husband in room, cutting cord, etc. and a natural birth plus the care of a midwife, not MD).  Raising our new baby is another story.  I&#8217;d like to do a lot of that back in Morocco.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2899</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EB - I don&#039;t know that I agree with you, either, but I hope we could have a more reasonable conversation than &quot;OMG you stupid moron how can you believe that?&quot; ;)

Maryam - Thank you! That&#039;s great information. 

Also, I swear, I&#039;m just kidding about stabbing people in the throat - though I might ACCIDENTALLY trip you on your way out the door. Ha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EB &#8211; I don&#8217;t know that I agree with you, either, but I hope we could have a more reasonable conversation than &#8220;OMG you stupid moron how can you believe that?&#8221; <img src='http://liosliath.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Maryam &#8211; Thank you! That&#8217;s great information. </p>
<p>Also, I swear, I&#8217;m just kidding about stabbing people in the throat &#8211; though I might ACCIDENTALLY trip you on your way out the door. Ha</p>
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		<title>By: Maryam in Marrakesh</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryam in Marrakesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Liosliath-
I have lots of opinions on this, actually.  I had my daughter in Morocco.  And my son in Namibia.  

If I were to have another child, I would have the baby in Morocco.  

However, there are definitely some downsides.

In Morocco:  
* Less equipment etc if dealing with problem births as compared to the US
* Tendency to be C-section happy with &quot;rich&quot; folk
* Less comfort with talking through all the miniscule details pre-delivery
* Complete lack of comfort with having the husband in the delivery room with a c-section (mine was the first that they ever allowed in the clinic where I was) and it took a great deal of cajoling/threats and a major avocacy campaign).
* Far less skilled nurses.  The doctors are absolutely fine.  But with the nurses/helpers, for example on the night shift, you wonder if they have had training at all (and I gave birth in an upscale private clinic)
* You need to bring everything with you to the hospital including stuff for basic care for you and your baby.
*Inability to have any special techniques, like leboyer births, etc.  They do it &quot;their&quot; way - end of story.  

Overall, my experience was actually much better in Namibia.  But despite what I have outlined above, would not hesitate to give birth in Morocco IN A PRIVATE CLINIC.  Hundreds of women do it every day, after all, with no adverse effects;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Liosliath-<br />
I have lots of opinions on this, actually.  I had my daughter in Morocco.  And my son in Namibia.  </p>
<p>If I were to have another child, I would have the baby in Morocco.  </p>
<p>However, there are definitely some downsides.</p>
<p>In Morocco:<br />
* Less equipment etc if dealing with problem births as compared to the US<br />
* Tendency to be C-section happy with &#8220;rich&#8221; folk<br />
* Less comfort with talking through all the miniscule details pre-delivery<br />
* Complete lack of comfort with having the husband in the delivery room with a c-section (mine was the first that they ever allowed in the clinic where I was) and it took a great deal of cajoling/threats and a major avocacy campaign).<br />
* Far less skilled nurses.  The doctors are absolutely fine.  But with the nurses/helpers, for example on the night shift, you wonder if they have had training at all (and I gave birth in an upscale private clinic)<br />
* You need to bring everything with you to the hospital including stuff for basic care for you and your baby.<br />
*Inability to have any special techniques, like leboyer births, etc.  They do it &#8220;their&#8221; way &#8211; end of story.  </p>
<p>Overall, my experience was actually much better in Namibia.  But despite what I have outlined above, would not hesitate to give birth in Morocco IN A PRIVATE CLINIC.  Hundreds of women do it every day, after all, with no adverse effects;-)</p>
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		<title>By: eatbees</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2882</link>
		<dc:creator>eatbees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT - Thanks for kinda taking my side over on Myrtus&#039; blog. I just got back into it myself. Oh my god, it&#039;s dupes like me that are gonna let Islamofascism overrun America! Not that I&#039;d ever want to vote for Ahmadinejad personally. :) If I was a Moroccan voter I might go for the PJD though....

&quot;...and you’ll be lucky if I don’t stab you in the throat with a fork.&quot;

Back on topic, I think I&#039;m starting to see what that psychological profile you posted is all about. You are 74% brutal, at least!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; Thanks for kinda taking my side over on Myrtus&#8217; blog. I just got back into it myself. Oh my god, it&#8217;s dupes like me that are gonna let Islamofascism overrun America! Not that I&#8217;d ever want to vote for Ahmadinejad personally. <img src='http://liosliath.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If I was a Moroccan voter I might go for the PJD though&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and you’ll be lucky if I don’t stab you in the throat with a fork.&#8221;</p>
<p>Back on topic, I think I&#8217;m starting to see what that psychological profile you posted is all about. You are 74% brutal, at least!</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://liosliath.com/blog/2006/12/15/fduli/#comment-2872</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, how fascinating. I saw your comment, too - were you in the operating room for both of the births? That&#039;s something I need to ask Hamou about. :0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, how fascinating. I saw your comment, too &#8211; were you in the operating room for both of the births? That&#8217;s something I need to ask Hamou about. :0</p>
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