Comments on: Rights for Children http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:37:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: mindy http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4209 mindy Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:28:09 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4209 http://tinyurl.com/2z4fre There's another article that talks more about this. I didn't realize it was like this before. http://tinyurl.com/2z4fre

There’s another article that talks more about this. I didn’t realize it was like this before.

]]> By: Jill http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4145 Jill Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:12:00 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4145 http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=2290 This article (sorry for the lack of HTML) says that it was granted in July 2005, which is consistent with what Hamza's father told me. TelQuel had a different article, but my French isn't good enough to get all of the facts straight: http://www.telquel-online.com/226/couverture_226_1.shtml Gaouri, Islamically, what you're saying doesn't make sense - a child is only Muslim if his father is Muslim (or if he converts later in life) period. Just like a Jew is only a Jew if his mother was a Jew. That said, every source I find has different info and a different date. Typical Morocco, I suppose. http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=2290

This article (sorry for the lack of HTML) says that it was granted in July 2005, which is consistent with what Hamza’s father told me.

TelQuel had a different article, but my French isn’t good enough to get all of the facts straight:
http://www.telquel-online.com/226/couverture_226_1.shtml

Gaouri, Islamically, what you’re saying doesn’t make sense - a child is only Muslim if his father is Muslim (or if he converts later in life) period. Just like a Jew is only a Jew if his mother was a Jew.

That said, every source I find has different info and a different date. Typical Morocco, I suppose.

]]> By: Gaouri http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4107 Gaouri Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:02 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4107 I think the difference is between religion and citizenship. Before (and now) the child was muslim, but only if the father was Moroccan was he entitled to citizenship. I think the difference is between religion and citizenship. Before (and now) the child was muslim, but only if the father was Moroccan was he entitled to citizenship.

]]> By: mo http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4100 mo Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:38:51 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4100 this is a new law if only the mother were moroccan, children didn't got citizenship sorry foir the bad english :) this is a new law
if only the mother were moroccan, children didn’t got citizenship

sorry foir the bad english :)

]]> By: Jill http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4091 Jill Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:23:49 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4091 I'm confused as well, but if filiation is even made a point (regarding children of a Moroccan mother being citizens), then it must be because of intermarriage with foreigners, no? I use the Moudawana as a class discussion topic sometimes, and the students have always told me (since I started in 2005, that is) that children of a Moroccan mother/foreign father are still Moroccan. Hamza's dad (lawyer) told me the same, so I don't know what the change is with this new law. I’m confused as well, but if filiation is even made a point (regarding children of a Moroccan mother being citizens), then it must be because of intermarriage with foreigners, no?

I use the Moudawana as a class discussion topic sometimes, and the students have always told me (since I started in 2005, that is) that children of a Moroccan mother/foreign father are still Moroccan. Hamza’s dad (lawyer) told me the same, so I don’t know what the change is with this new law.

]]> By: Felix http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4068 Felix Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:48:43 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4068 Wait a minute, that Moudwana link just talks about filiation in general - I can't find a reference to children of mixed marriages. Here's what another article had to say about this new law: "It also complements the reform made to the Family Law (Mudawana), the personal-status law established in 1957, which stipulates that Moroccan citizenship can only be transmitted to children born of a Moroccan father, those of single mothers or of a stateless father." Now I'm confused. Wait a minute, that Moudwana link just talks about filiation in general - I can’t find a reference to children of mixed marriages.

Here’s what another article had to say about this new law:

“It also complements the reform made to the Family Law (Mudawana), the personal-status law established in 1957, which stipulates that Moroccan citizenship can only be transmitted to children born of a Moroccan father, those of single mothers or of a stateless father.”

Now I’m confused.

]]> By: Felix http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4067 Felix Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:36:17 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4067 Hm, that's odd. I've looked over the 2004 Moudawana, of course - got one of the first translations from the above mentioned organization, actually - but I have to confess, I just skimmed over the kid parts. Hm, that’s odd. I’ve looked over the 2004 Moudawana, of course - got one of the first translations from the above mentioned organization, actually - but I have to confess, I just skimmed over the kid parts.

]]> By: Jill http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4058 Jill Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:51:31 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4058 http://www.hrea.org/moudawana.html#31 This English translation of the Moudawana states that filiation is established through either parent, whether the parentage relationship is legitimate or illegitimate. And that's from 2004. http://www.hrea.org/moudawana.html#31

This English translation of the Moudawana states that filiation is established through either parent, whether the parentage relationship is legitimate or illegitimate.

And that’s from 2004.

]]> By: Jill http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4057 Jill Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:47:38 +0000 http://liosliath.com/blog/2007/01/21/rights-for-children/#comment-4057 From what I understand, this has been in effect for two years already - at least that's what Moroccan friends and one woman married to a Moroccan told me (I don't want kids, so it's a moot point for me). Western men DO have to convert to marry a Moroccan woman, of course. I don't believe anything has changed. As for the first point, a friend of mine (American) who has several children from a Moroccan was able, two years ago, to apply for citizenship for her children (which she was not able to do before that); that's why I'm surprised that this article calls the bill new. I had thought it was already just a part of the Moudawana. From what I understand, this has been in effect for two years already - at least that’s what Moroccan friends and one woman married to a Moroccan told me (I don’t want kids, so it’s a moot point for me).

Western men DO have to convert to marry a Moroccan woman, of course. I don’t believe anything has changed.

As for the first point, a friend of mine (American) who has several children from a Moroccan was able, two years ago, to apply for citizenship for her children (which she was not able to do before that); that’s why I’m surprised that this article calls the bill new. I had thought it was already just a part of the Moudawana.

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